Greenbelt gobbled, part 3

Which parts of the Bells Corners Greenbelt will be gobbled by the light rail project? A political decision will be made in the near future.

Eight potential sites for the massive Maintenance and Storage Facility (MSF).

Local residents jammed the Crystal Beach community centre to get answers.

Here are the three finalists for the MSF.

Kanata councillor Marianne Wilkinson was heckled for wanting to put a park-and-ride in the Greenbelt near the Moodie LRT station.

A politician patted himself on the back and told local residents that added traffic won’t be a problem.

Local residents disagreed with the disgraced councillor.

More info.

A Bells Corners frog says good-bye to winter.

See you next December.

This guy’s bus didn’t show up but he’s still smiling.

Broken-down on the strip.

OC Transpo mechanic tries to get it moving – towing a bus is expensive.

Seventh year for the Bells Corners FREE Bike-taxi.

No tipping allowed.

A perfect safety record!

Catholic school board marketing.

Liberal brass bans cut-outs after Justin has a drink on the Bells Corners strip.

He came with his friends.

Will the new NDP leader ban cut-outs too?

Ski season ending, bike season starting.


$8 French fry bowls? Food porn on the strip.

Retro signage near the botched intersection.

One of the famous Bells Corners benches in Williams Park.

Seyton Drive in Westcliffe by Franco-Ouest.

Neighbourhood public schools closing but no shortage of students at the French Catholic board!

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3 Responses to Greenbelt gobbled, part 3

  1. CBLCA says:

    Light Rail Meeting at Maki House
    On Wednesday evening this past week, a multi-faceted BRT/LRT* consultation was held at Maki House. The information focused on Bayshore to west-of-Moodie.

    Our community was told that the only definite construction plan for the Bayshore to Moodie area was to complete the bus rapid transit route (BRT) this year.

    This statement prompted many questions about throw-away money and extra costs. (The throw away money is somewhere between $3M and $5.5M.) It is throw-away because this money will be spent on a temporary bus route lasting for 3 or 4 years only.

    As the width of BRT is wider than what is needed for LRT, and as all asphalt will have to be ripped up and train rails laid, converting BRT to LRT involves even more money.

    Residents wanted to know if BRT could be scrapped because LRT is coming in only a few years time. Kanata Councillor Marianne Wilkinson spoke about Kanata’s “need” for faster transit and said that she felt that Kanata deserved fast transit into downtown Ottawa. Therefore the BRT should be built now, despite the extra costs.

    It appears that Kanata also is behind a movement to get a Park and Ride built at Moodie. Local residents expressed anger and concern when this was mentioned.

    But it was the light rail maintenance facility that drew the most attention. It is the city’s plan to build a train storage and maintenance facility on NCC lands either east or west of Moodie Drive. The three possible areas for this facility are: NCC land across the road from DND, NCC land where Wesley Clover Parks’ SW field, or the NCC land on the south side of the 417 near the railway track. CBLCA residents, needless to say, were not happy with this news either.

    Because of the quantity of information given out, and because there were references back and forth about BRT and LRT, there was mass confusion in the audience. One resident asked –

    “What is really being said at this meeting? There is a duality being presented. Why? Are we, or are we not, planning for light rail to be extended to Moodie Drive?”

    Councillor Taylor tried to clear the air by answering, “Yes. I guarantee that LRT will go as far as Moodie in 5 or 6 years time, but in the interim, there will be BRT.”

    We will see. Time will tell.

    Peggy McGillivray President CBLCA
    * BRT = Bus Rapid Transit LRT = Light Rail Transit

  2. metroland says:

    A map shows the three locations favoured by city planners for a future light storage and maintenance facility near Moodie Drive to service LRT vehicles. The facility would complement an LRT station on Moodie Drive, and planners say plans for the station might not move forward if the LRT budget can’t cover the cost to build the facility or planners can’t settle on a location.

    City planners share potential challenges at future Moodie LRT stop
    Light-rail budget must include station, storage and maintenance facility
    Megan DeLaire

    City councillors showed confidence during a February announcement revealing a proposed light rail transit stop on Moodie Drive. But that was somewhat tempered in a public meeting about western LRT expansion in March.

    More than 75 people gathered at Maki House in the Crystal Beach neighbourhood to hear city staff present a sober report on the city’s plan for a Moodie light-rail stop, and its backup plan, in the event that a Moodie Drive stop isn’t feasible.

    The city’s plan to extend light rail to Moodie by 2023 as part of LRT Stage 2 hinges somewhat on its ability to find maintenance and storage space west of Bayshore station, planner Charles Mueller said during the March 22 meeting.

    “We’re not 100 per cent certain,” Mueller said of the plans. “It depends on how successful we are in finding a light maintenance and storage facility. So I have to protect the project from the eventuality that if Moodie is not affordable, we’re going to have to terminate (LRT) at Bayshore.”

    According to Mueller, the preferable outcome – should the city proceed with an LRT stop at Moodie – ­would involve converting the west Transitway extension from bus to rail, and adding maintenance and storage space west of Holly Acres Road.

    The existing Transitway alignment north of Highway 417, its retaining walls and its noise barriers would be reused, as would the existing design for a bridge over Holly Acres Road. Not only is reusing existing infrastructure more cost effective, Mueller said, but in this case it would also take a significant number of buses off the road.

    “The good news is that the conversion from buses to LRT is going to eliminate about 200,000 bus trips in this corridor on an annual basis,” Mueller said. “So we’ve looked at the air quality of that and we think that the air quality is going to be better.”

    Mueller said helping transport 7,000 to 8,000 Department of National Defence employees to the DND’s future headquarters in the former Nortel campus at Moodie and Carling is a priority for the city.

    Therefore, each of four possible LRT routes from Bayshore to Moodie – and later to Kanata – involves either bus or train access from the main transit corridor to the future home of DND.

    The most likely of the three LRT routes has a straight shot from Lincoln Fields to Kanata with stops along the corridor at Bayshore and Moodie stations, and bus connections between Moodie station and the DND campus.

    The other options include variations of LRT diverting from the main corridor to the DND campus or to a station on Moodie Drive located somewhat off of the main corridor, slightly closer to the new Defence headquarters.

    “The preferred network option is option one, which involves no throw-away capital cost and has the least cost to implement initially,” Mueller said. “Through riders that are trying to get downtown are also not affected by a diverting the line to DND.”


    Mueller told residents at the meeting that earlier in March, council approved a motion to look at opportunities for a park-and-ride at the new Moodie LRT station.

    The motion directs staff to consult the owners of large tracts of land in the immediate vicinity, explore leasing opportunities with the NCC and report back to the finance and development committee of council by the end of 2017.

    “That motion was passed by council and we are now at the very preliminary stages of looking at commuter parking at this location,” he said of the future Moodie station.

    Mueller said staff would update residents on their progress and outline a commuter parking strategy for Moodie in the next public meeting in June.

    During a question period following the presentation, residents raised concerns about the city building a park-and-ride on NCC land and about the impact of a park-and-ride on traffic on nearby Corkstown Road.

    Bay Ward Coun. Mark Taylor also expressed apprehension about a park-and-ride near Moodie Drive and Corkstown Road.

    “I’m not a huge fan of having a park-and-ride there,” he said, explaining he feels it’s best for commuters to board public transit as close to their homes as possible.

    “I’m cognizant of the fact that there’s a lot of NCC land here that would be in play, and they’re generally not a fan of parking lots on their land,” he added.

    “So we’ll have to see how it plays out … I understand that the department’s got to do its work as directed by council, and I understand why council is asking for the work to be done.”


    With the release of the federal budget on March 22, the city is more confident than ever that it will have federal support for LRT Stage 2, Taylor said at the meeting.

    “One of the very few actual projects that they’ve articulated by name in the budget document … was Stage 2 of Ottawa’s LRT plan,” Taylor said.

    While Mueller agreed an LRT stop at Moodie is feasible, he said the inclusion of a crucial light maintenance and storage facility nearby was less certain.

    “We’re pretty confident that the LRT extension to Moodie is probably doable within our budget,” he said.

    “Whether we do that and the maintenance and storage facility is the big question. We will know in spring of 2018 whether one or both of those are possible.”

    The city is looking at three locations for the critical facilities for light repairs and maintenance of LRT trains: one on the east side of Moodie Drive, just south of Carling Avenue, and one each on the north and south sides of Corkstown Road, west of Wesley Clover Parks.

    If city planners determine that the LRT Stage 2 budget can’t cover the cost of extending the corridor to Moodie Drive as well as building a maintenance facility, the Western LRT line will end at Bayshore station.

    In that case, the city will need to expand the Bayshore station to accommodate more bus traffic and will put plans for a permanent maintenance facility near the western transit corridor on hold until the Kanata LRT environmental assessment.

    Mueller said that if the LRT ends at Bayshore, the station would need significantly more bus bays to accommodate routes taking travellers to locations west of Bayshore that LRT would otherwise have taken them to.

    In the interim – without a permanent maintenance facility – the city would use an existing storage and cleaning facility near Baseline station, requiring empty buses and train cars to travel an additional 1.2 kilometres in each direction.

    Mueller said the next public meeting about a western LRT extension to Moodie Drive would take place in May or June. Staff will report to city council again in July 2017.

  3. ottawaowl says:

    Wow! The plot thickens. A done deal undone?

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